Debate Ended

A serious weakness of Islam is that Muslims can have their sins forgiven if they have a repentant attitude, believe certain doctrines and do certain good deeds. They say the Judge of the universe will overlook justice and forgive their sins on a whim. They don’t understand the requirements of justice.

It is evident that the Creator of the universe is just, and will punish sin. He cannot forgive guilty sinners without justice being served. Not even a traffic court judge can forgive guilty speeders, but Muslims describe Allah as having even less concern for justice than a human judge. Nevertheless, the true God wanted to forgive sinners, and He came and gave His life’s blood to pay for the sins of His people (Acts 20:28). The Christian is given the payment for His sins as a gift. In doing this, God maintains His justice, and shows infinite mercy to His children by paying our penalty Himself. There has never been better news in the history of mankind!

I attempted to share this shortcoming of Islam with a Muslim on her blog. You can check out our conversation here. It appears that I can no longer leave comments on her blog, and I hope that is due to a computer glitch, and not due to the author banning me in order to squelch the truth.

Most of all, I pray that Roqayah (the blog’s author) would pursue the truth in this matter as avoiding eternity in hell depends on having her sins forgiven, as is true for all of us. I pray that she will understand God’s holiness, righteousness and justice, and that it would drive her to seek the Savior.

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30 Responses to Debate Ended

  1. Doesn’t it make more sense if Allah is all forgiving and all merciful. What is more likely to happen, a judge to let someone off the hook because he is merciful, or a judge to know you are guilty, but decides to Punish someone else for your sins? In Islam, Allah holds us responsible for our own sins, and says if you believe in me, and sincerely repent for your sins, he is forgiving. Doesn’t that sound more rational, than a judge killing his son, so I do not have to pay the punishment for a crime I did?

  2. Bill says:

    I2I,

    If that makes sense to you, that’s fine, but don’t pretend that Allah cares about justice. If you think the Creator of the universe doesn’t care about justice, and that’s the conclusion you’ve reached, then you’ve found the right religion. However, I think there is ample evidence that the Creator is just. You’ve placed your bet on Allah being a judge that can show mercy at will, and you better hope you’re right, or you’re going to take the punishment for your sins.

    As far as your objection about God killing his son, I agree that would be terrible, and you should take that up with Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses. However, the Bible describes God as a Trinity (one God in three persons). God is the Judge, and He paid for my sins Himself. He certainly didn’t have to do that, but He’s made a kind offer. I have accepted His offer, and anyone who doesn’t want to accept the offer is free to take their own punishment.

    Thanks for your comment.
    Bill

  3. roqayah says:

    I actually didn’t block your comments.
    If you read my last comment it says “to END this”
    thus ending the entry of comments in and out.
    I replied to your comments and you did as well, evenly

  4. Bill says:

    Roqayah,

    I don’t see where it says “to END this”. Maybe I’m missing something. Furthermore, If you’re not blocking my comments, then something is happening to them, because I typed and retyped a final comment of my own. On the other hand, if you’re ending the entry of comments, doesn’t that mean you’re blocking them? Are you blocking everyone’s or just mine? There are 30 points in your post, and we’ve only discussed two of them. What if someone wants to discuss one of the other 28?

    Anytime you want to answer my question (what payment are you going to offer for your sins?), I’d be happy to take a look at it. As it stands, no Muslim that I know of has ever answered it, and as far as I’m concerned it is a total refutation of Islam.

    Thanks,
    Bill

  5. Bill,
    I do not think you understand the basic concept of Islam. There is a sin in Islam, that will never be forgiven. That is associating partners with god. Saying god is three, when the Old Testament has always said he is one. Would be considered that sin.
    About justice. Lets take a look at your view of justice. Your sins are forgiven because your “god” died for you, If that is justice. I rather have a god that is unjust, than a god that dies.

  6. Bill says:

    I2I,

    Islam and Christianity certainly have different doctrines of God that would be heretical and damming in the other’s religion.

    If you’re willing to concede that Allah is unjust, and I show you Qur’an verses that say Allah is just, does that make you a heretic? Do you believe the Qur’an is wrong when it claims Allah is just? Is that the lengths you’re willing to go to since you cannot defend Allah’s justice?

    Blood is required to pay for sins (Leviticus 17:11, Hebrews 9:22), unless you feel up to eterntiy in hell.

    Thanks,
    Bill

  7. Bill,
    To stop all the analogies. I believe Allah is the most just. That is why I believe in a god that is Just, but not a “god” that has died for other peoples crime. Allah, is all living and self sustaining. How can you say you worship someone you believe “died”?

  8. Bill says:

    I2I,

    When we tell a lie, we break God’s law. When we dishonor our parents, steal, look at someone with lust or covet, we are breaking God’s law. Certainly you would have to admit to being guilty of those, right? That means you and I and everyone else are guilty lawbreakers.

    You say Allah is going to let guilty lawbreakers off. Justice is making sure the innocent are not punished, and making sure the guilty are punished. It’s very simple. If Allah lets the guilty off without justice being served, he is a wicked, corrupt judge. A good judge has no choice but to punish the guilty. Do you understand? A good judge cannot show mercy.

    The penalty for your sins must be paid, or you will pay the penalty yourself in hell. The question I asked Roqayah repeatedly that she never even attempted to answer was: What payment are you offering for your sins? I ask you the same question. If you hope to be forgiven without offering payment, your god is a false god.

    Thanks,
    Bill

  9. Bill,
    You said:
    “When we tell a lie, we break God’s law. When we dishonor our parents, steal, look at someone with lust or covet, we are breaking God’s law. Certainly you would have to admit to being guilty of those, right? That means you and I and everyone else are guilty lawbreakers.”

    I am not perfect, so Yes I have violated the Laws of God.

    You said:
    “You say Allah is going to let guilty lawbreakers off. Justice is making sure the innocent are not punished, and making sure the guilty are punished. It’s very simple. If Allah lets the guilty off without justice being served, he is a wicked, corrupt judge. A good judge has no choice but to punish the guilty. Do you understand? A good judge cannot show mercy.”

    No I did not say Allah is going to let guilty lawbreakers off. Allah will punish those who deserve punishment, but he is all forgiving and Forgive those who he chooses. There is a difference. Wicked, is not one who lets the guilty run free, wicked is one who punishes the innocent. “A good judge” a good judge by what law? The law of man? What about law of god, that judge is all forgiving. How about a verse from the bible:

    “If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”
    —2 Chronicles 7:14

    Sounds very similar to the forgiveness of Allah.

    You said:
    “The penalty for your sins must be paid, or you will pay the penalty yourself in hell. The question I asked Roqayah repeatedly that she never even attempted to answer was: What payment are you offering for your sins? I ask you the same question. If you hope to be forgiven without offering payment, your god is a false god.”

    We are offering payments for our sins. I think you are not understanding the concept of Islam. Muslims seek forgiveness all the time. We pray five times a day. We fast from sunrise to sunset. So you believe if people are forgiven for doing nothing, they are worshiping a false god. Well Allah does punish sins, but he also forgives. Isn’t it worse to worship a “god” that died, was crucified, murdered, isn’t that a false god?

    Thank You.

  10. Bill says:

    I2I,

    You apparently don’t understand justice. Justice is making sure that the guilty are properly punished, and the innocent are acquitted. I don’t think there is anyone on earth who could disagree with that definition, right?

    You said,

    “A good judge” a good judge by what law? The law of man? What about law of god, that judge is all forgiving.”

    I’m saying God is just by the definition of justice. Are you saying Allah is just without being subject to a basic definition of justice? Are humans held to one definition of justice, and Allah to another? That makes no sense.

    To say God is just, means that He holds to justice. That means that God punishes the guilty and acquits the innocent. The problem is that we are all guilty, and since God is just, we all deserve to be punished in hell for eternity.

    You said,

    No I did not say Allah is going to let guilty lawbreakers off. Allah will punish those who deserve punishment, but he is all forgiving and Forgive those who he chooses.

    That is a contradiction. He punishes those who deserve punishment (you), but doesn’t punish those who he chooses (you). If he doesn’t punish those who he chooses, then he doesn’t really punish those who deserve punishment, and he’s not really just. Any claim to his justice is only lip service.

    Proberbs 17:15 says, “Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent—the LORD detests them both. ”

    Any mention of God’s mercy (concerning the forgiveness of sins) in the Bible is because God paid our penalty Himself. You keep mentioning that God died. Jesus was fully man and fully God, and He died physically, but God never died. While we can debate whether Christianity is the proper place to obtain the means to pay the penalty for your sins, Islam is certainly not it.

    Thanks for taking the time to write.

    Bill

  11. Bill,
    You said:
    “You apparently don’t understand justice. Justice is making sure that the guilty are properly punished, and the innocent are acquitted. I don’t think there is anyone on earth who could disagree with that definition, right?”

    Okay. But if someone where to sin early in their life. Would they never ever be able to redeem them selves. Is your god that spiteful, that the person will never be forgiven for that sin? In Islam, Allah has decreed punishments for those who sin. A person who has stolen punished while he is alive, the person who is killed is put to death, the person who slanders about a woman is whipped, a person who drinks alcohol is whipped. In the afterlife he has the opportunity to be forgiven, by repenting, and not be held responsible in the next life. That is a Just God.

    You Said:
    “Any mention of God’s mercy (concerning the forgiveness of sins) in the Bible is because God paid our penalty Himself. You keep mentioning that God died. Jesus was fully man and fully God, and He died physically, but God never died. While we can debate whether Christianity is the proper place to obtain the means to pay the penalty for your sins, Islam is certainly not it.”

    So Jesus was 100% Human and 100% God? So in christianity, a person who sins will be forgiven because “god” died “physically” for your sins? What happened to justice?
    How is Islam, not the perfect law? You barely understand it, you do not know where it comes from, you don’t know why it was established.

  12. Bill says:

    I2I,

    Guilty lawbreakers must be punished. I don’t know how else to explain it. Why would time forgive sins? Why would good deeds forgive sins? Why would a repentant attitude forgive sins? A criminal doesn’t get off for any of those reasons in America. If the standards of American justice are higher than Allah’s, you know you have a problem.

    So, in Islam, if a person commits certain sins, maybe he’ll be punished in this life, or maybe he’ll go to hell for eternity? Quite a difference in punishment for the sins. Is it possible that after someone dies, he could just be whipped (rather than go to hell forever), and then allowed into heaven? What happens to someone who tells a lie? Are you able to no longer lie? What if you don’t receive the punishment for the last lie you tell before you die? You could die at any moment. Have you taken the proper punishment for every lie you’ve ever told?

    Why did Jesus die for our sins? First of all, the penalty for our sins is infinite. If God is just, He requires infinite payment. No one could offer infinite payment except God Himself. In the Old Testament, Jews were required to sacrifice animals to cover their sin. Blood is the currency by which sins are paid. So, we need blood of infinite value if anyone hopes to have their sins forgiven. I don’t know why blood is what God requires.

    Even if good deeds were accepted as payment for sins, you would only ever have a finite amount. Your debt after all of your good deeds would still be infinite. You have to have a payment for your sin. I have the infinite blood of Jesus.

    Thanks,
    Bill

  13. invitation2islam says:

    Bill,
    You ask those questions, yet you believe someone dying will forgive sins. To that I say “Why?”

    You said:
    “So, in Islam, if a person commits certain sins, maybe he’ll be punished in this life, or maybe he’ll go to hell for eternity?”

    Woah Woah, I think there is a big misunderstanding on your understanding of Islam. No sin in Islam takes a person into hell fire for eternity except one. Which is associating partners with god. The sins that are not forgiven here are expedited in Hell, but afterward, the believer is sent to Paradise for eternity.

    You said:
    “Why did Jesus die for our sins? First of all, the penalty for our sins is infinite. If God is just, He requires infinite payment. No one could offer infinite payment except God Himself. In the Old Testament, Jews were required to sacrifice animals to cover their sin.”
    Why are sacrifices of animals in your mind okay to cover sins, but good deeds and acts of worship not?

    You Said:
    “Even if good deeds were accepted as payment for sins, you would only ever have a finite amount. Your debt after all of your good deeds would still be infinite. You have to have a payment for your sin. I have the infinite blood of Jesus.”

    To you sins are infinite, to me they are not. I can not be sinned for when I am not sinning. So you sacrificed Jesus so you could cover your sins?

    Thank You.

    We

  14. Bill says:

    I2I,

    God is infinitely holy, and when we break his law, we sin against Him and Him alone. Whether you believe it or not, your sins are against God, and are therefore infinite. Even if you want to say your sins against God are not infinite, you still must receive punishment for every lie you’ve ever told. What if you don’t receive the punishment for every lie you’ve ever told on earth? Where will that punishment be given? A holy, just God cannot overlook it when His law is broken, or there would be no point in having a law.

    Are you certain you’re going to heaven when you die? What if you don’t have enough good deeds?

    “To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward” (Surah 5:9).

    Even if you did have enough, it goes back to Allah being a corrupt judge who accepts bribes. No criminal is freed because of good deeds. Justice must be served.

    This isn’t a rhetorical question, and I’d appreciate your answer: Would you say there was ever a Muslim who never believed Allah had partners, yet for any reason ended up in hell for eternity?

    The sacrifice of animals isn’t okay. It was only a foreshadowing of the Messiah. It only covered their sins temporarily. Through the sacrifice of Christ, we can be adopted as God’s children and have a relationship with God.

    I didn’t sacrifice Jesus to atone for my sins. He gave Himself for me. In doing this, He showed the greatest act of love possible (John 15:13).

    Would it be possible for Allah to take on human form and come to earth?

    Thanks,
    Bill

  15. invitation2islam says:

    Bill,

    Islam believes Allah is infinitely holy. But Islam is also rational, that one sin will not be continuously increasing. Nor does a good deed, continuously increase.

    You said:
    “Are you certain you’re going to heaven when you die? What if you don’t have enough good deeds?”

    Quran says:
    “Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with him in worship, but he forgives except that” Al Nisa

    You said:
    “Even if you did have enough, it goes back to Allah being a corrupt judge who accepts bribes. No criminal is freed because of good deeds. Justice must be served.”

    What in your opinion is the purpose of life? In Islam, Allah tells us, the purpose is life is for us to worship him. Allah accepts worship and deeds as reward, not writing and believing in a fairy tale about how “god” died.

    You asked:
    “Would you say there was ever a Muslim who never believed Allah had partners, yet for any reason ended up in hell for eternity?”

    Sincerely believing in Tawheed(unity/ones of Allah), that Muslim would not be in hell fire for eternity. So no, I do not believe he would be in hell for eternity.

    You asked:
    “Would it be possible for Allah to take on human form and come to earth?”

    Allah is above the creation, he is not human, and does not take human form. He would have no reason to come as a human, because he is not human. He is the Creator. He does not sleep, and he most certainly does not die.”

    May I ask one question to you?
    If a Christian were to sin, and then regret this sin he committed. Would he be punished for it?

    Thank You.

  16. Bill says:

    I2I,

    So it seems we’ve come full circle. Allah lets guilty criminals off without justice. That meets the definition of unjust. Since Allah is unjust, he must be a false god. Actually, at best he is unjust. Depending on which Muslim describes it, he may be an evil, wicked judge who accepts the bribes of good deeds and repentance.

    Our purpose in life is to glorify God. God will reward the good deeds of a Christian, but He doesn’t accept them in order to overlook our sins. Our sins have been paid for by God Himself.

    I’m a little bit confused. Certainly you wouldn’t believe the Christian doctrine that salvation is a gift, and it is by grace alone through faith alone. Yet, you say any Muslim who simply believes in Tawheed is guaranteed heaven. Am I misunderstanding something? No matter what a Muslim does, as long as they hold to Tawheed, they’re going to heaven? Is Mohammad Atta in heaven? Is Osama bin Laden guaranteed heaven?

    If Allah wished to join creation as a human he would be completely powerless to do so? Don’t you believe that he is omnipotent (infinitely powerful)? Maybe he can’t figure out how to pull it off?

    A Christian by biblical definition is someone whose past, present and future sins have been atoned for by Christ. The only way a human can be punished for sins is to spend eternity in hell. We can suffer consequences, for hurting others, but our punishment for sinning against God is infinite, and cannot be paid on earth. When you have sinned, you haven’t sinned against some mayor of a minor town. You have sinned against the Lord of Glory, and His wrath and justice is what you should be worried about.

    I think I’ve said everything I have to say on this topic. As far as I’m concerned, while you’ve put forth a valiant attempt to prove Allah is just, all you have to offer him is the bribery of good works, which falls well short of the definition of justice. I’ll let you have the last word.

    Thanks for your time,
    Bill

  17. invitation2islam says:

    Bill,
    Do you know how irrational you sound? You call Allah a false god because he gives the gift of forgiving sin. Yet you don’t believe its a false god, that gives the gift of the sins being paid by himself. So the Christians are then free of sin. You speak about Tawheed like it is such a strange concept. The bible speaks of it continuously. The view of Muhammad Atta and the likes of Osama bin Laden, is if they do not to shirk, they will enter heaven only after their sins have been cleansed in Hell fire. For their sin, is the most severe sin besides “shirk”, the Qur’an says “for killing one innocent, is as if you have killed all humanity.” Like wise I can ask you, will Adolph Hitler go to heaven, he did believe in the Christian doctrine.

    After reading your explanation about Christianity all I get from this is the feeling you are a hypocrite(sorry if this is harsh). Seriously, you never really answer the question, you say Allah is unjust because he forgives, yet you say your god is just, yet he does not punish any Christian.

    So lets just cut the watered down argument. What is the difference of god giving the gift of paying for you sins, than the concept of god giving the gift of forgiving your sins?

    Simple question.

  18. Bill says:

    I2I,

    Hitler was not a Christian. He was an occultist. He had children singing to and worshipping him.

    You’re free to believe in a god that is infinitely merciful, and forgives sin on a whim, but don’t pretend he is just.

    If I’m guilty of a crime and given a fine, but am unable to pay the fine, I’ll go to jail. But, if someone steps up to pay the fine, I’m free to leave. Justice has been served. I owe an infinite penalty to be paid in blood. I certainly can’t pay that on my own, but God Himself stepped up and paid my penalty. He is giving that to me. Justice has been served, and I’m free to go. Please explain how that is unjust.

    Even if you reject completely that Yahweh is just, you still haven’t offered any real justification for Allah. If you reject Christianity because the biblical view of God is unjust, you must certainly reject Islam.

    Thanks,
    Bill

  19. invitation2islam says:

    Simply put.
    I don’t believe Yahweh is unjust. What I don’t believe is in a false god, that “died” Just because someone else takes your punishment, doesn’t mean its fair. If you killed someone, and someone else decided he will take the death penalty for you, is that just? Why can not god forgive? Do you believe in a god that does not forgive? Who is not merciful? Honestly put, the problem I have with Christianity, is that its similar to a fairy tale.

  20. David Wells says:

    So is all religion if you think about it. Muhammad allegedly flies up into the sky and sees a bunch of people up there. An angel (often a mythical creature) tells him the Koran.

    There is much I have to learn about world religion. But the problem that the world has with Christianity is Christ. Isa is not the same as Christ. They have similar moral teachings in some aspects, where as Isa does not claim he is one with the Father while Christ does. A Muslim friend said “we (Muslims) love Jesus.” But who was He? If we cannot agree who Jesus was, then we cannot both say that we love Him.

    Christ has significance because even death cannot defeat Him. He laid down His life so that He might take it up again, something long prophesied (Psalm 22, Isaiah 40:3, Isaiah 53). If He was dragged against His will, it would be unjust. Yet Jesus freely gave it.

    Also, the big difference in God paying your sins as opposed to overlooking them is that it leaves us humble. I cannot boast about myself. I cannot show God, “look at this” or “did I not prophesy in your name.” I can only cling to His atonement, for that is what God loves the most: His own Name. Pick up an Old Testament and you will find that in many places.

  21. David,
    One problem, I don’t believe the Jesus that lived according to the Bible, was the real Jesus. Meaning the stories were altered. In Islam, Arrogance is forbidden. The Quran tells us, a person with an ounce of arrogance will not enter heaven until he rids himself of that arrogance.

  22. Bill says:

    I2I,

    That’s interesting. Is that teaching about arrogance in the Qur’an? I’ve never heard that before.

    Have you rid yourself of every ounce of arrogance? If you say that you have, isn’t that an arrogant statement? Don’t you have to sincerely believe that you’re going to spend eternity in hell to have actually given up all of your arrogance?

    Born again Christians have assurance that they’re going to heaven (Romans 8:16, 1 John 5:13). This assurance comes God and from trusting God’s promises, not from trusting in ourselves, which would be arrogant.

    Thanks,
    Bill

  23. Bill,
    No its not from the Qur’an.

    Am I arrogant? I try not to be, Muhammad taught us tools to control arrogance.

    Muslims do not make heaven from our own deeds, we only make it from the Mercy of the Creator.

  24. Bill says:

    I2I,

    If it’s not from the Qur’an, would you mind telling me where it’s from? If you misspoke, none of my questions make any sense, so I’d like to know if that is Muslim doctrine or if it’s just your take.

    From what you said, it’s not good enough to try to not be arrogant, you said that you can’t have an ounce of arrogance. What’s going to happen to you if you have an ounce of arrogance?

    There seems to be a contradiction in your last sentence. Not one ounce of arrogance will be allowed into heaven, and you’re trying to not be arrogant through tools Muhammad taught. What if you quit trying to not be arrogant? Isn’t trying to not be arrogant a good deed?

    Thanks,
    Bill

  25. David Wells says:

    This will be my last post.

    I2I, Muslims have two reasons why they don’t trust that the biblical Christ actually existed. 1) They share the world’s mentality of supposing that many meanings were changed. 2) Basing their information on the word of Muhammad alone, almost any new information about Jesus will be rejected.

    Surah 4,171 proclaims that Jesus is Messiah and that the title of Messiah does not mean oneness with God or that he saves people from sins. But in Daniel 7, Daniel tells of one who is like a son of man, a common title for Jesus in the New Testament. He is appointed to judge. The New Testament, especially Revelation, echo this chapter about the “Ancient of Days.” One is lying about who Jesus is.

    It does not take the word of Muhammad for one to suppose that the Bible is untrue. Many biblical scholars can recall all the verses about the Ashterah poles and yet not know the true significance of the gospel. In fact, I distrusted the Bible for quite a long time. However, the main point is who is giving us more accurate information: Jesus in the New Testament, written beginning 15 years after His crucifixion, or Muhammad in Qur’an, written six hundred years later.

    What information would it take to persuade you that the Qur’an is untrustworthy? I ask that question because unless I am mistaken, nothing can disprove its infallibility to you. Unless I am also mistaken, the only evidence you have for the authors of the New Testament getting it wrong is Muhammad. For me, if I find out that Christ was not resurrected or that Bible manuscripts we have are inaccurate, my faith dies. I rest it on Jesus’ blood, on His word. Without those, I have no faith.

  26. David,
    Your issue is not is the bible trust worthy or not, your issue is “is Muhammad a messenger of God?” because you say no to that, you don’t believe the Qur’an as the word of God.

    Bill,
    That is not from the Qur’an it is a saying of Muhammad, meaning A muslim needs to be humble. Not necessarily that he will go to hell, its just that he needs to humble himself before entering heaven. No contradiction, only God’s mercy will allow us to enter heaven, just like for Christians only believing a person died for their sins is the only thing that will get them into heaven.

  27. David Wells says:

    Alright, this will actually be my last post.

    I do hope to read the Qur’an in its full someday to get a better picture of Islam. One of my friends claims that he is a Muslim, and it would be interesting to see whether some of his beliefs are from the book itself or from culture. Plus, it really was the Qur’an that spread the use of the Arabic language, a beautiful language to say the least.

    For now, if there is any problem with Christianity, I will find it in the Bible. Most of the problems people see with it arise from the deserting of the Bible. As of right now, I have no reason to distrust it because many people who have “issues” with it have never read it. Additionally, once they do read it, they are convicted by the perfect law of God and yet still want to see themselves as innocent.

    “Moreover, your skirts are stained with the blood of the innocent poor. You did not catch them breaking and entering. But in spite of all these things you claim: I am innocent. His anger is sure to turn away from me. But I will certainly judge you because you have said: I have not sinned.” -Jeremiah 2:34-35

    Soli Deo Gloria.

  28. Bill says:

    I2I,

    I wonder if it might be too much trouble to look up the reference to that teaching so that I can find it, and read it for myself. Are Muhammad’s sayings as important to Muslims as the Qur’an?

    Believing a person died for our sins isn’t what gets us into heaven. We start out as sinful people, who can do only sinful things, and then, God changes us, and enables us to believe and repent.

    Thanks,
    Bill

  29. The Prophet said,
    “He who has, in his heart, an ant’s weight of
    arrogance will not enter Paradise.” Someone said: “A man likes to wear
    beautiful clothes and shoes?” The Messenger of Allah said, “Allah is
    Beautiful, He loves beauty. Arrogance means ridiculing and rejecting the
    Truth and despising people.”

    This can be found in the Hadith Collection Sahih Muslim.

  30. Jacob says:

    Ultimately, it always comes down to, “I don’t care if that’s really true and right, I’m going to believe what I think is right!” with the lost. :-( I remember I was witnessign to one girl who called herself Christian, and she had 0 trust in the Bible, didn’t care what it said, and didn’t care to hear what it said….and still claims to be Christian. How is she a Christian if you don’t even believe what’s in the Bible? Silliness, silliness. But don’t get discouraged Bill. There are people our here laboring in the wheat fields with you. Don’t worry about all the tares, just focus on the wheat. :-) Thanks for the comment on my blog. Dee is a really cool older gal, and she has a lot of good points to make on most things, but she can be kinda gruff. I’ve been talking with her on different blogs for a few months and from all I can tell she’s a true Christian. I’m enjoying your blog and hope you enjoy mine as well.

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