Sometimes someone says something outlandish, and someone else puts their finger right on the problem. You can’t help but enjoy reading a comment like that. Here’s an exchange from Defending Contending:
Someone going by the name “Chatal” said,
HOW DARE YOU TELL PEOPLE, ALL ARE NOT CHILDREN OF GOD. BLASPHEMY, THIS SITE SHOULD BE TAKEN DOWN AND THE WORDS WRITEN ON THIS SHOULD NEVER BE READ BY ANYONE.”
And here’s the classic comment from The Pilgrim:
Dear Chatal:
Thank you for your opinion and your candidness regarding your dislike of freedom of speech.
I’m not sure what or who you were referring to as I don’t see anything in the original post about “children of God” so I’m assuming you were referring to someone’s comment (which I do not have time to read all of right now).
Your anger and displeasure are misdirected. You see, your issue is not with whoever said “all are not children of God” but it is with God Himself. So please take up your fight with Him after you have read His inspired Word.
Children of God are:
John 1:12 Those who receive Jesus
Romans 8:14, 16 Those led by the Spirit of God
Romans 9:8 Children of the promise, not children of the flesh
2 Corinthians 6:14-18 Believers, not unbelievers
1 John 2:29-3:2 Believers
1 John 3:9-10 Those who practice righteousness
Children of the Devil are:
Matthew 13:37-39 The tares are the sons of the evil one
John 8:38, 41-45 Those who reject Christ and His words
1 John 3:8, 10 Those who practice sin/do not practice righteousness
I hope this clears up your misconceptions.
The church and Christians are guilty of many sins, but the question is this: has it followed the example of Jesus too closely or betrayed Him in committing these crimes?
By what standard do we judge the sins of the church? By our own? Then that is of no consequence. By the standards of Jesus? Then we admit his ethic is desirable. If so, then why do we not seek to follow him and confess him too?
Besides all this, whether we confess Him or not, we are not blameless ourselves.
“I am not certain why small business owners, the job creation engine of the country, should see their taxes raised in order to protect bond holders of automobile companies or banks, or for union jobs to be preserved in companies that are clearly not competitive.” -John Mauldin, Frontline Weekly Newsletter, May 2, 2009
My wife and I are having a terrible time agreeing on what we should name our son, who is due in early May. I’d appreciate your vote, and any thoughts you might have.
You can check out the story of our witnessing at the Democratic National Convention here.
P.s. The title is a joke. All liars will have their part in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8), and unless you’ve never told a lie, stolen anything or looked at someone with lust, you deserve to spend eternity in hell. God showed the greatest act of love by giving his blood to atone for your sin. If you repent and put your faith in Jesus, you can have your sins forgiven.
I was able to see Fireproof yesterday (you can check out a preview on that site), as my wife works for a Christian organization, and the movie makers are hoping to get recommendations. They definitely get my recommendation. In fact, I can’t recommend it highly enough. It’s a great movie, and it even has a solid gospel presentation. I shudder to think how different the world would be if we could replace all of the filth coming out of Hollywood with movies that glorify God.
The movie comes out in September, and I encourage everyone to see it.
Jehovah’s Witnesses have serious problems with their doctrines concerning being born again. They say that only 144,000 good Jehovah’s Witnesses are born again. The others aren’t born again, and they will not go to heaven, but to paradise on earth. The thing about that is we were all born dead in our sin (Ephesians 2:1, 5) and we must be born again to come to life. If Jehovah’s Witnesses aren’t born again, they are still dead in their sins, and they will go to neither heaven nor paradise on earth. I wrote a tract about this, and you can take a look at it here: A Choice For Life.
After making this concept into a Youtube video, and talking about it on this blog, a JW finally responded to it, and we’ve been having an e-mail conversation. It turns out to be a very deep subject. On the surface it’s a pretty convincing argument against their doctrine, but as you dig deeper it becomes even more convincing. I’m grateful this guy is taking the time to write to me; he’s the only one who has even attempted to respond.
His main objections are:
Old Testament people weren’t born again, but weren’t dead in their sin, so we have the same hope as them.
Matthew 11:11 says John the Baptist isn’t going to heaven.
The verses talking about passing from death to life (such as Ephesians 2:1, 5) aren’t talking about being born again. Therefore, JWs can have life without being born again.
Were Old Testament People Born Again?
This is an interesting topic, and I would say they were not born again during their lives. When they died, they went to Abraham’s Bosom to await the Messiah and being born again. We know they are born again today, and in heaven. We know they are in heaven, because Matthew 8:11 says Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are in the kingdom of heaven. Luke 13:28 says those three and all of the prophets are in the kingdom of God. Since they are in heaven, they must be born again (John 3:3). Those two verses (Matthew 8:11 and Luke 13:28) seem very valuable in doing away with their whole concept of 144,000 people in heaven.
John the Baptist and Matthew 11:11
What does Jesus mean when he says whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than John the Baptist (Matthew 11:11)? This verse doesn’t say anywhere that when John the Baptist dies he’s not going to heaven or Abraham’s bosom. It just means that those of us who proclaim the New Covenant are better off than those who proclaimed the Old Covenant (Hebrews 7:22-24).
Is passing from death to life the same as being born again?
What does born again mean other than being reborn because we were born dead in our sins? If passing from death to life makes the 144,000 born again, why doesn’t it make everyone else born again? If Jehovah’s Witnesses want to claim to be alive without being born again, I think it goes against the meaning of the analogy of being born again, and it doesn’t matter anyway, because Ephesians 2:6 says, that anyone who has passed from death to life is going to heaven (and must therefore be born again).
So while they’ve managed to muddy the waters on another straightforward concept, there is no way out of the tangled web they’ve woven for themselves. By their own admission they aren’t born again. Only God can convince them that they are dead in their sins and headed for hell.
For a fantastic opportunity to witness to Jehovah’s Witnesses, check out their 2008 convention schedule. One of the reasons they think they are in the true church is because they think they are the only ones who are out witnessing. You can help refute that idea for possibly hundreds of them by showing up at a convention and passing out tracts.
All religions that I know of—except one—say that if you do good deeds, you will be rewarded, and if you do evil deeds, you will be punished. Biblical Christianity says that your good deeds are like filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6), and in spite of your deserving hell, you can go to heaven (Romans 5:6–11) because Jesus paid the price of your sins.
Jehovah’s Witnesses say, “Good works are necessary for salvation” (Studies in the Scriptures, volume 1, pages 150, 152).
Mormons say that good works are necessary for salvation (Third and Fourth Articles of Faith, Articles of Faith, page 92), and “We know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do” (2 Nephi 25:23).
Roman Catholics say, “If any one shall say that justifying faith is nothing else than confidence in the divine mercy pardoning sins for Christ’s sake, or that it is that confidence alone by which we are justified … let him be accursed” (Council of Trent, Canon 12).
Muslims must follow the five pillars of Islam and hope that Allah forgives them and lets them into heaven (Surah 5:9).
People faithful to these religions have at least some respect for the Bible. But although the Bible continually emphasizes the point that salvation is a gift from God, they insist that they must earn their way to heaven by doing good or religious deeds (such as baptism, praying to Mecca, going door-to-door witnessing, etc.).
Here’s a partial list of the verses that mention that our salvation is solely a gift that cannot be earned with good deeds.
Verse
Means of Salvation
Verse
Means of Salvation
Verse
Means of Salvation
Matthew 26:28
Jesus’ blood
Acts 10:43
Belief
Galatians 2:20–21
Faith
Luke 7:50
Faith
Acts 13:38–39
Belief
Galatians 3:26
Belief
John 3:14–18
Belief
Acts 16:31
Belief
Ephesians 1:7
Jesus’ blood
John 3:36
Belief
Romans 3:20–28
Faith, Grace
Ephesians 2:8–9
Faith
John 5:24
Belief
Romans 5:1
Faith
Philippians 1:6
God
John 6:40
Belief
Romans 5:9
Jesus’ blood
Philippians 3:9
Faith
John 6:47
Belief
Romans 10:4
Belief
1 Thessalonians 5:9
Jesus
John 6:63
Holy Spirit
Romans 10:9
Belief
2 Timothy 1:9
Grace
John 8:24
Belief
Romans 11:6
Grace
Titus 3:5
God’s mercy
John 11:25–26
Belief
1 Corinthians 6:11
The Holy Spirit
Hebrews 7:25
Jesus
John 20:31
Belief
Galatians 2:15–16
Faith
1 John 1:7
Jesus’ blood
If you add in baptism or good deeds into what is required for salvation, are you really trusting in Jesus alone for your salvation, or are you trusting in your own goodness?
In the final open-air sermon before his death, George Whitfield cried out in a tone of thunder, “Works! works! A man gets to heaven by works! I would as soon think of climbing to the moon on a rope of sand.’”
Charles Darwin said, “At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.”
Classic Comment #1
August 22, 2009Sometimes someone says something outlandish, and someone else puts their finger right on the problem. You can’t help but enjoy reading a comment like that. Here’s an exchange from Defending Contending:
Someone going by the name “Chatal” said,
And here’s the classic comment from The Pilgrim: