In John 20:28, Thomas sees Jesus risen from the dead, and proclaims that Jesus is his Lord and his God. Thomas was a good Jew, and certainly a staunch monotheist. He would never admit that someone besides the LORD was God.
This is a good verse to show Jehovah’s Witnesses. I’ve heard from various sources that they often have never seen this verse. When they see it, their immediate reaction is to say that Thomas was taking the Lord’s name in vain. Supposedly they think this is what Thomas was doing because that is their reaction when they see the verse. I’ve never seen any Jehovah’s Witness do this in person until the other day. In fact, I have it in writing for everyone to see. You can check it out here. The person who said it has made it clear that he or she isn’t a Jehovah’s Witness, but shares many of the same beliefs.
October 2, 2008 at 11:30 am |
it is laughable…. except that it is so very sad.
also if you look at the verse:
28And Thomas answered and said UNTO HIM, My LORD and my God
if they were correct it woudl read “and thomas cried” or and thomas looked in the sky and said” but it doesn’t….it plainly states “Thomas answered and SAID UNTO HIM”!!! i showed this to a few of my nonsaved co-workers and asked them to read it as is plainly written (a fact i was chastised for by a cult member) and the all said the same thing.
fact is you have to really twist and stretch to get it to mean any other thing.
fact is if you admit what Thomas is clearly saying, then your heresy crumbles.
so i beg of anyone reading this….
pray the prayer of Thomas! repent and believe today before it’s too late
October 7, 2008 at 5:58 am |
bill…thanks for the comment on my blog. i’ve responded and hope you’ll take time to read it. in the meantime, i’ll be reading your blog to try and see your evangelistic perspective and understand it better. thanks….jason
October 11, 2008 at 11:25 am |
Bill,
Look, I stumbled across your website and since you seem to have such a strong opinion i decided to read some of your entries. This current entry though strikes me as, well, a few things.
1. Rather pointless. Your argument or whatever you’re trying to say just seems to be one of semantics. Why are you arguing about words who were written by men who have been dead for hundreds of years? Isn’t the core point of religion the message? Goodwill towards men and peace and such.
2. You seem to nitpick the holes of your own faith. Christianity has seen more human faces and touched more human lips then well, probably more than anything (excluding the other religions, that’s another argument) and you think everyone envisioned the same thing? Of course not, that’s why we have all of our respective branches. It’s gone through times of change, reflection, abandonment, atonement. It’s risen and it’s fallen, but it’s still here, and not because people try to point out the logical fallacies. What a pointless endeavor, a child could ask a religious question with no answer.
3. You love the word proof, and proving. Religion is not a debate, it’s not something you can hold over someone or tell people they’re wrong. Religion is what color shirt you put on this morning and how you like to wear your hair. It’s a personal choice with personal responsibilities and personal rewards. It’s a learning tool, not a tool of dissent. We believe in god for all of our various reasons, but I know i don’t give a that Thomas called Jesus LORD. Hell if I saw anyone rise from the dead I’ll call them Lord all day.
I know that this is your website, and that you aren’t forcing anyone to read, but Bill it’s your happiness that I am after. I’m not here to prove you wrong, only to ask questions. Do you enjoy this? Wasting time, bandwidth and power so you can post ridiculous nuances that don’t matter so you can spend all day waiting for people to comment to prove them wrong? Sounds pretty narcissistic to me.
I respect what you do, but gut hanging outside of a bar with a Giant Cross waiting to enlighten drunk bastards that don’t care is not a smart thing. You know that God works in all ways, its my belief that he acts in such a way that you don’t know he did anything at all. I suggest you let him do the work, and live a life of humanity, not God.
October 12, 2008 at 3:41 pm |
Victor,
Thanks for the advice, but I must do what God leads me to do, even if it seems foolish. In fact, what God leads people to do is very often foolish from a human perspective.
The point of this blog, and the point of my life is to glorify God. There is only one God, and He has given us the truth in the Bible. While there are many things we can agree to disagree on, there are many things that cannot be compromised, and if someone doesn’t hold to those truths, they will spend eternity in the lake of fire.
I’m afraid there are many things about me you do not understand. I was once dead in my sin, and then, God raised me from the dead. The things I used to like I hate. The things I used to hate I like. More importantly, my sins have been forgiven.
What about you? Have your sins been forgiven? Do you realize that you desperately need your sins to be forgiven? You will give an account for every idle word you’ve spoken, and God is infinitely holy. He cannot just let people off the hook for no reason.
If you’re going to comment here, I will ask you to not cuss. I’ve edited the cussing out of your previous comment, and from now on, if you cuss, I’ll just delete the comment, because I really don’t have time to go through and edit your writing.
Thanks,
Bill
October 13, 2008 at 5:00 am |
as a side note… ( Bill, i hope i am not putting words in your mouth here)
Bill says that his point is to glorify God, may i also add that in doing so there should be fruit born of the matter. and there has been fruit produced here. fruit that even we christians may never fully understand…. that fruit is not to say “i’m right and your wrong”, but to see the fruit of repentance and salvation in the lives of people.
i know of 2 people whom i have debated on this forum, though they will never admit it unless they repent, have had some sleepless nights because of thier involvement here. late in the midnite hour… your soul will trouble you