Comments on: The Emergent Cult http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/ On fire so that others won't be Sat, 19 Jul 2008 03:26:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: ila http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1907 ila Fri, 16 Nov 2007 03:33:44 +0000 http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1907 Hey Rick, I can't say I'm a faithful listener of Friel, but I haven't heard what you mention. I am about as conservative as they come and I have never been embarassed by him. Further, I have not found fault with his theology. Could you give me an example or two? ila Hey Rick,

I can’t say I’m a faithful listener of Friel, but I haven’t heard what you mention. I am about as conservative as they come and I have never been embarassed by him. Further, I have not found fault with his theology. Could you give me an example or two?

ila

]]> By: Rick http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1904 Rick Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:24:22 +0000 http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1904 Yes Bill, I'm born again. Like Todd Friehl, you seem to like "talking down" to people rather than actually listening to them. Yes Bill, I’m born again. Like Todd Friehl, you seem to like “talking down” to people rather than actually listening to them.

]]> By: billphillips http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1902 billphillips Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:24:21 +0000 http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1902 Rick, I agree that they're lost, but you didn't really answer the question. I believe they go to hell for eternity. Besides that, there are no good Buddhists (Luke 18:19). I think Todd Friel has pretty standard evangelical and Biblical theology. I certainly agree with him, and most people who read the Bible plainly agree with him. Are you born again? Thanks, Bill Rick,

I agree that they’re lost, but you didn’t really answer the question. I believe they go to hell for eternity. Besides that, there are no good Buddhists (Luke 18:19).

I think Todd Friel has pretty standard evangelical and Biblical theology. I certainly agree with him, and most people who read the Bible plainly agree with him.

Are you born again?

Thanks,
Bill

]]> By: Rick http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1900 Rick Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:44:18 +0000 http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1900 I believe they are lost. What do you say? But again, Friel never even gave the guy a chance to answer the questions. He is an embarassment to all conservatives and is pretty ignorant when it comes to theology himself. I believe they are lost. What do you say?

But again, Friel never even gave the guy a chance to answer the questions. He is an embarassment to all conservatives and is pretty ignorant when it comes to theology himself.

]]> By: billphillips http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1899 billphillips Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:31:31 +0000 http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1899 Rick, Thanks for your comment. What do you say happens to a good Buddhist? Thanks, Bill Rick,

Thanks for your comment. What do you say happens to a good Buddhist?

Thanks,
Bill

]]> By: Rick http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1898 Rick Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:26:20 +0000 http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1898 I'm not part of the Emergent Church movement, nor do I defend everything they believe. But that interview was a farce. If anyone looked like an idiot, it was Todd Friel. It was obvious he was just tying to set the guy up like an attack dog. He wouldn't even let him fully answer a question before he jumped in with his own conclusions. I’m not part of the Emergent Church movement, nor do I defend everything they believe. But that interview was a farce. If anyone looked like an idiot, it was Todd Friel. It was obvious he was just tying to set the guy up like an attack dog. He wouldn’t even let him fully answer a question before he jumped in with his own conclusions.

]]> By: Rick Frueh http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1843 Rick Frueh Wed, 31 Oct 2007 23:21:38 +0000 http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1843 No one "understands" the Trinity. The concept is a mystery. If we do not strive for literal interpretations, than we are captured by private interpretations as Peter warned. Literal interpretations include metaphors and similes and hebrewisms, but they are all still defined literally. No one “understands” the Trinity. The concept is a mystery. If we do not strive for literal interpretations, than we are captured by private interpretations as Peter warned.

Literal interpretations include metaphors and similes and hebrewisms, but they are all still defined literally.

]]> By: billphillips http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1835 billphillips Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:58:47 +0000 http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1835 Gerard, Bell, McLaren and Pagitt don't like most of what Jesus said. For example, John 14:6, John 3:3, 3:16, 3:36, Matt. 13:41-42, and any other thing that might be considered mean or intolerant. You can't tell me Pagitt has such a high esteem for Jesus' words when he won't even acknowledge that heaven is a place. Jesus said, "In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you" (John 14:2). Jesus said heaven will eventually be on earth. Earth is a place. Anyone who says that Buddhists will end up in the same place as Christians, is a heretic, and his church is a cult. He is taking people to hell. At least Pagitt has the guts to come clean with what he believes. Rob Bell's god is a sex god, and wears lipstick, according to his book. He has a different God than me. As far as I know, McLaren has never committed to any particular belief, which is just as dangerous as picking the wrong belief. These men are heretics. It's okay to say it. You can call me a heretic if you like. I'm going to stand by all of Jesus' words, not just the ones that make me feel warm and fuzzy. I agree that most Christians fall short in acting out their faith. In fact, there are many hypocrites who will end up in hell. We must have a proper understanding of who Jesus is (John 8:24), and have the life to go along with it. You must have both. Are you sure that you have both? Thanks, Bill Gerard,

Bell, McLaren and Pagitt don’t like most of what Jesus said. For example, John 14:6, John 3:3, 3:16, 3:36, Matt. 13:41-42, and any other thing that might be considered mean or intolerant. You can’t tell me Pagitt has such a high esteem for Jesus’ words when he won’t even acknowledge that heaven is a place. Jesus said, “In my Father’s house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you” (John 14:2). Jesus said heaven will eventually be on earth. Earth is a place.

Anyone who says that Buddhists will end up in the same place as Christians, is a heretic, and his church is a cult. He is taking people to hell. At least Pagitt has the guts to come clean with what he believes. Rob Bell’s god is a sex god, and wears lipstick, according to his book. He has a different God than me. As far as I know, McLaren has never committed to any particular belief, which is just as dangerous as picking the wrong belief. These men are heretics. It’s okay to say it. You can call me a heretic if you like. I’m going to stand by all of Jesus’ words, not just the ones that make me feel warm and fuzzy.

I agree that most Christians fall short in acting out their faith. In fact, there are many hypocrites who will end up in hell. We must have a proper understanding of who Jesus is (John 8:24), and have the life to go along with it. You must have both. Are you sure that you have both?

Thanks,
Bill

]]> By: Gerard http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1833 Gerard Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:07:33 +0000 http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1833 Absolutely. Salvation by faith. As is, I believe Rob Bell, Brian McLaren and Doug Paggit. I certainly don't find them calling your beliefs a "cult." We can have disagreements without the heresy talk. Remember a guy named Luther? God used Martin Luther to open eyes and to urge people to cast a wary eye on tradition, passed down simply by rote motion. The Emergent church and its calling followers of Christ back to the actual teachings of Christ may sound heretical to some, as it shakes the foundations of our current theological comfort zone. That zone allows for a suburbanized, "Western Jesus," with few discomforts to our culture of wealth and prosperity. It's much easier to focus on the personal salvation aspects which require only faith. But to be followers of Christ is revolutionary. It upsets the cultural suburban worldview that those who believe that actually DOING what Jesus COMMANDED us to do is "liberal." It's much easier to place a tract on a counter, or, write in our blogs and throw stones. God bless. Absolutely. Salvation by faith. As is, I believe Rob Bell, Brian McLaren and Doug Paggit. I certainly don’t find them calling your beliefs a “cult.” We can have disagreements without the heresy talk. Remember a guy named Luther? God used Martin Luther to open eyes and to urge people to cast a wary eye on tradition, passed down simply by rote motion. The Emergent church and its calling followers of Christ back to the actual teachings of Christ may sound heretical to some, as it shakes the foundations of our current theological comfort zone. That zone allows for a suburbanized, “Western Jesus,” with few discomforts to our culture of wealth and prosperity. It’s much easier to focus on the personal salvation aspects which require only faith. But to be followers of Christ is revolutionary. It upsets the cultural suburban worldview that those who believe that actually DOING what Jesus COMMANDED us to do is “liberal.” It’s much easier to place a tract on a counter, or, write in our blogs and throw stones.

God bless.

]]> By: billphillips http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1832 billphillips Tue, 30 Oct 2007 00:53:25 +0000 http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/the-emergent-cult/#comment-1832 Gerard, I'm under no obligation to answer your questions, and your comments remain at my discretion. Saying you understand the Trinity doesn't make it so. If you understood it, you wouldn't have asked those questions. If you understand it, why do you want me to explain it to you again? Is there a non-literal viewpoint of the trinity (other than from a cult)? The logic behind the Trinity goes something like this: 1. There is one God (Deut. 6:4, Isaiah 43:10, 44:6, 46:8-9, John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 8:4-6, etc.). 2. The Father is God (Phil. 1:2). Jesus is God (John 1:1). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4). 3. Each person of the Trinity is co-eternal. The Father is eternal (Psalm 90:2). Jesus is eternal (John 8:58, Colossians 1:17). The Holy Spirit is eternal (Hebrews 9:14). Jesus is fully man and fully God. Verses saying Jesus is a man Colossians 2:9, Romans 5, etc. Jesus rose from the dead physically (1 Corinthians 15:14, John 20:27). He ascended into heaven (Acts 1:9). Jesus is at the right hand of the Father (Acts 2:33). I guess we'll agree to disagree on how long the Bible has been taken literally. I do my best to follow what is plainly stated in the Sermon on the Mount, and I have read the Gospels. I am fully aware the the Bible has poetry, and apocolyptic portions, and parables. It should be read and applied plainly. Since I have answered your questions, please answer this as I have asked it twice: Are you born again? Thanks, Bill Gerard,

I’m under no obligation to answer your questions, and your comments remain at my discretion.

Saying you understand the Trinity doesn’t make it so. If you understood it, you wouldn’t have asked those questions. If you understand it, why do you want me to explain it to you again? Is there a non-literal viewpoint of the trinity (other than from a cult)?

The logic behind the Trinity goes something like this:
1. There is one God (Deut. 6:4, Isaiah 43:10, 44:6, 46:8-9, John 17:3, 1 Corinthians 8:4-6, etc.).
2. The Father is God (Phil. 1:2). Jesus is God (John 1:1). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4).
3. Each person of the Trinity is co-eternal. The Father is eternal (Psalm 90:2). Jesus is eternal (John 8:58, Colossians 1:17). The Holy Spirit is eternal (Hebrews 9:14).

Jesus is fully man and fully God. Verses saying Jesus is a man Colossians 2:9, Romans 5, etc. Jesus rose from the dead physically (1 Corinthians 15:14, John 20:27). He ascended into heaven (Acts 1:9). Jesus is at the right hand of the Father (Acts 2:33).

I guess we’ll agree to disagree on how long the Bible has been taken literally.

I do my best to follow what is plainly stated in the Sermon on the Mount, and I have read the Gospels. I am fully aware the the Bible has poetry, and apocolyptic portions, and parables. It should be read and applied plainly.

Since I have answered your questions, please answer this as I have asked it twice: Are you born again?

Thanks,
Bill

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