In a previous post, Jeremy and I were discussing whether homosexuality is a sin. He challenged me to discuss this with him on his blog. Unfortunately, because my comment didn’t meet his specifications, he deleted it.
He’s free to do as he pleases on his blog. However, I’d like to point out that repeatedly stating one’s qualifications and gloating about one’s inability to lose an argument isn’t the same as actually winning an argument. I’ve read his comments and some of his posts, and I’m still not clear what his argument is. So I thought I would cite the verses that most clearly call homosexuality a sin, and let everyone decide for themselves.
On Jeremy’s blog, he says that even Romans 1 doesn’t refer to homosexuality. Romans 1:26–27 (NIV) says, “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”
You may or may not agree with the Bible’s stance, but I think anyone who is honest with themselves has to admit that Paul (the writer) is quite obviously referencing homosexuality. He refers to it as shameful lust, indecent acts with other men, and perversion.
Another verse clearly calls homosexuality a sin. The Bible says, “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9–10). That passage includes a long list of sinners, and I’m on it, and so is everyone else. I’m curious if those who believe that homosexuality isn’t a sin believe that there are other items on the list in 1 Corinthians 6:9–10 (stealing, greed, etc.) that are also not sinful.
A lot of “Christians” will say that homosexuality isn’t a sin, and they go through some pretty fancy footwork to reach that conclusion, but it usually involves starting out with the premise that the Bible isn’t necessarily true, and it’s not the final authority for our advanced civilization of 2007 (i.e. we’ve moved beyond those backward hillbillies). (I’m not going to go into too much defense of the Bible as I’ve done that in previous posts; you can check out Answers in Genesis for evidence that the Bible is a supernatural book written by God Himself.)
Another argument is that the Bible is outdated, and that homosexuality was simply not accepted way back when, but that it should be now. However, if homosexuals in Paul’s (the person who wrote 1 Corinthians) day were going to hell, why are homosexuals in our day no longer going to hell? Has God changed His mind? Is He going to take the people He mistakenly sent to hell back out of hell, because our society no longer considers it a sin, or are they out of luck?
I have good news for anyone who finds themselves on that list, including homosexuals. Jesus who is God in the flesh lived a sinless life, and was crucified for guilty sinners, and then rose from the dead. I deserve to go to hell, because I’ve broken God’s holy law, but Jesus took my place. In my case, justice has been served and I’m free to go to heaven. While I’m morally imperfect (to be more precise I’m desperately wicked, see Jeremiah 17:9, Romans 3:10-12, 23), I’m legally perfect, because Jesus took my punishment. Jesus’ sacrifice is a gift that can only be accepted by repenting (turning away from all of ours sins, including lying, lust, drunkenness and homosexuality), and trusting Jesus to save us. Almighty God has commanded everyone, no matter what their sin, to repent and trust Jesus. The consequences of disobedience are eternal.

August 27, 2007 at 9:08 pm |
Good post; Thanks for writing!
Adam
August 28, 2007 at 9:05 pm |
I’m not going to argue any more with you about homosexuality and I would appreciate you taking down any link to my blog and [inappropriate language] off…
And God Wept…
Jeremy
August 29, 2007 at 7:41 am |
Good post Bill,
It seems that Jeremy is not willing to deal with what the text actually says. That is sad but it is the “worldly” response when challenged by what is taught in the Bible. It indicates that they are making themselves sovereign over God. That is a path that leads straight to eternal damnation….wide is the path leading to destruction!
Tom
August 29, 2007 at 7:43 am |
The intellectual challenge of proving that homosexuality is a sin may have gotten the better of me, and I may have lost sight that we’re talking about real people’s eternity. So I ask for everyone to pray that God would grant Jeremy repentance.
I want to make sure everyone knows that it is a miracle and a gift from God that anyone gets saved–especially me. Those of us who are saved were no more lost than anyone else.
If someone has their identity wrapped up in their sin, I would think it would be even harder to have an open mind on the subject. I truly hope to see Jeremy in heaven someday. Please pray for him.
Thanks,
Bill
August 29, 2007 at 9:04 am |
Bill,
The article you wrote above is a good one. The truth was written. God does hate the sin of homosexuality, and it is called an abomination. He has however, as you have noted, provide salvation for all who will call on His name. That due to the cross of Jesus – His death, burial, and resurrection – Jesus Himself fully paying the price for our redemption.
Sad to say it, but Jeremy and many like him have been blinded by the world’s lies, and cannot see God’s Word as the truth.
God bless you.
T.A.
August 29, 2007 at 2:03 pm |
[...] here to read the post over at the Fisher of Men [...]
August 30, 2007 at 6:31 pm |
Please, someone answer, why on Earth do you think the bible is 100% right. I know I’m an ignorant, but I just can’t see why. But if you want my opinion (I think you don’t) I’ll tell you that homosexuality is not a sin, I don’t see why loving another human been would upset a creator. Maybe I’m just blind, maybe I´m an idealist, but I think that hatred and segregation should be the real sins, not love; even if people like you don’t see it that way.
August 30, 2007 at 9:19 pm |
Farthel,
It doesn’t matter what I believe, and it doesn’t matter what you believe. It only matters what the truth is, and what standard God is going to judge us by. Jesus said that if you look at someone with lust, you’ve committed adultery with them in your heart (Matthew 5:27-28). Whether someone lusts after someone of the same gender of the opposite, it’s adultery. God is going to judge not just our actions, but even our thoughts. Everyone on Earth deserves to go to hell, because we’ve broken God’s law. Every lawbreaker deserves to be punished.
I believe the Bible for many reasons, and you can take a look at: http://billphillips.wordpress.com/2007/05/08/is-the-bible-trustworthy/
If you want really quick evidence, take a look at Isaiah 7:14, 9:6, which were written 700 years before Jesus was born.
And remember, if you’ve ever told a lie, you’re a liar. All liars will have their part in the lake of fire (Revelation 21:8). God has made you a kind offer. He’s offered you the gift of eternity in heaven. You can accept that gift (through repentance and faith in Jesus), or you can reject it and take the wrath of God on yourself. Either way, justice must be served. I really hope you’ll think about it.
Thanks,
Bill
August 31, 2007 at 6:56 pm |
This post is hilarious! Thank you very much for writing it!
From time to time I need a reminder of how stupid blind belief in god is – and this is a nice one.
September 1, 2007 at 7:49 am |
Alex,
We know there is a Creator, because there is a creation, and any fool can tell that’s the case. Matter, time and space can’t just pop into existence from nowhere, so we know there was a cause for it all.
Thanks,
Bill
September 2, 2007 at 7:18 pm |
Who said anything about blind faith? God does not require or want blind faith.
February 27, 2008 at 1:33 pm |
Christianity and the “Homosexual Agenda”
Early Christians: “The earth is the center of the universe, because the Bible says so.”
Copernicus and Galileo: “No it isn’t.”
Early Christians: “The Earth is flat because the Bible says so.”
Copernicus and…
February 27, 2008 at 3:23 pm |
Violet Sun,
Thanks for your comment,
The Bible doesn’t say the earth is the center of the universe or of the solar system. While some Christians may have believed it, they didn’t get it from the Bible. Furthermore, Galileo’s and Copernicus’ problems were with Catholics, not true Christians.
The Bible says the earth is a sphere in Isaiah 40:22. The Bible is full of scientific truths that people and science have ignored for centuries. Scientists thought that there was only 1100 stars, that all stars were the same, air was weightless, the ocean floor was flat and sick people must be bled. The Bible says there is an incalculable number of stars (Jeremiah 33:22), each star is different (1 Corinthians 15:41), air has weight (Job 28:25), the ocean floor has valleys and mountains (2 Sam 22:16, Jonah 2:6), and blood is the source of life and health (Leviticus 17:22).
So, we all have a choice as to whether we’re going to trust men or the Bible. I don’t trust Christian men for my eternity or the interpretation of the Bible, and I certainly don’t trust science. I trust God and His Word.
Thanks,
Bill
February 29, 2008 at 12:01 pm |
Woah, careful about that “not trusting science” stuff. Plenty of Christians out there who are scientists. And plenty of good science that helps prove scripture, especially related to archaeology. So perhaps it would be better to say you don’t “bad science” :D
Because you’re going to end up needing some scientific results to rebuttal someone and they’re going to use that against you ;)
February 29, 2008 at 3:42 pm |
Chris,
Thanks for your comment, and for checking out my blog. Maybe I didn’t word my sentiments properly, but I meant that I don’t trust science to help intepret the Bible or for my eternity. Of course I trust science every day. I trust the scientists and engineers at the car companies enought to drive down the interstate at 75 mph. I think atheists are trusting their eternity to science and evolution, and that thought was in the back of my mind as I wrote that comment.
Thanks,
Bill
March 2, 2008 at 10:54 am |
Bill,
Thanks for your reply.
The “comment” from Violet Sun was actually a trackback to an article on my site. My point was not that the Bible actually said those things, but instead that fundamentalist Christians have had difficulty interpreting Scripture accurately past and present (something the earth-centric and flat earth theories of yesterday, as well as the “homosexuality is a sin” theory of today illustrates).
In that same post, you made some interesting points that raised further questions for me. I’d appreciate it if you could revisit and clarify – even if that’s just to say “I don’t know.”
As an aside, I also think it’s interesting how many fundamentalists don’t consider Catholicism “true Christianity.” Without the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches, there’d be no Christianity, period…
March 2, 2008 at 6:58 pm |
Jerome,
Christianity comes from Christ, not from the Catholic church. We have manuscripts of the Bible that predate Catholocism. You can take a look at http://www.carm.org/questions/textualevidence.htm to find dates of some specific manuscripts. So, to say that without Catholicism “there’d be no Christianity” doesn’t make much sense to me.
Thanks,
Bill
March 2, 2008 at 9:50 pm |
Bill,
Then we’re on equal footing. :)
Jerome
November 18, 2008 at 10:57 pm |
Someone named Miles stopped by to give an argument that was less than compelling as to why homosexuality isn’t a sin. You might call it an ad hominem type argument.
There is no cussing allowed on this blog.
Thanks,
Bill
April 24, 2009 at 3:55 am |
My fellow on Facebook shared this link and I’m not dissapointed that I came here.
December 20, 2009 at 1:13 am |
I had to try two times over the last few days to access your site. Are there problems with hosting? Or is it on my end?
December 22, 2009 at 12:24 pm |
Hi Lovella,
I haven’t noticed any problems. If there is a problem it would probably affect other WordPress blogs. You can try checking them.
Thanks,
Bill